TRUE HISTORY OF THE SHILOH SHEPHERD™
Written by Tina M. Barber
John O. Public asks -- MaShiloh, Breed Founder, replies
1. I bought my second AKC German Shepherd from Shiloh Shepherd™ kennel in 1989. If I buy one that is now called a "Shiloh Shepherd™" by so many other "breeders" will I still be getting the same type of dog??
9. If your gene pool is so limited that you are still not ready to close the stud books, and outcrossing to GSD's is not recommended, what criteria do you use for selecting appropriate "New Blood" dogs?
I bought my second AKC German Shepherd from Shiloh Shepherds™ kennel in 1989. If I buy one that is now called a "Shiloh Shepherd™" by so many other "breeders" will I still be getting the same type of dog??
As long as the breeder is licensed with the ISSR you can be assured of the same quality that you are expecting. All ISSR breeders are Licensed and operating within the same guidelines I had established for myself many decades ago!
However, if you purchase a pup from someone that is just trying to "pass off" their long haired GSD's or mixed breed pups as "shilohs" then you're getting the wool pulled over your eyes
Please read Shiloh or LHGSD
Then take a few moments to study my article regarding this Confusion??
If you would like to gain a deeper understanding of the present situation regarding this breed, then please take the time to study the true history of the Shiloh Shepherd™ by reading about the kennel of origin and visit my new Tina Speaks site!!
For a quick synopsis of the past 40 years please take a good look at the chart and then follow the links listed at the bottom of the page.
If you take the time to visit a variety of web sites that are promoting the Shiloh Shepherd™ you should notice that some clearly attempt to claim that their dogs have a right to be called by that name because they have each created their own "registries" for this "breed". If you use some basic common sense it shouldn't be difficult for you to figure out why they are making such foolish claims.
Please note the REAL DEAL history of these dogs - still under development!!
In essence, these people are attempting to sell their puppies for higher prices then they could demand if they were to inform you that they were just "long haired" German Shepherds without legitimate AKC papers or worst yet--"Shepherd" mixes!
However, since they did not meet the requirements established by the ISSR to qualify as Shiloh Shepherds™ (mostly because they combined dogs that were not compatible due to the over-inbreeding or they used unapproved GSD's) they were unable to properly register their puppies. Therefore they have chosen to just use the "name" *Shiloh Shepherd™* that has been associated with the awesome dogs that I (Tina Barber) have been producing for over four decades, thus they are misleading the public into thinking that these dogs are the same "breed" while attempting to defame the real Shiloh Shepherd™ that continues to be produced under the strict guidelines of the ISSR!
Discover the TRUTH!! Read all about them!!
As you can clearly see from the confusion article and the History chart, this has been going on for nearly a decade now. In each case, these so called "registries" rise--run--and crash, all in a relatively short amount of time while the ISSR has continued to grow and provide our breed with the ethical data collection and processing that must be maintained in order for us to achieve the goals that have been set before us--to continue expanding our gene pool, with extreme care so that we can all enjoy these beautiful giant healthy dogs with sound hips and stable temperaments worthy to be called SHILOH SHEPHERDS™ for many generations to come.
If I purchase a non-ISSR puppy that consists of a cross between an unregistrable "shiloh" and a GSD, what can I call it?
You could call the progeny King Shepherds
(a rare breed listed with ARBA) IF they let you, OR you could call them
long haired GSD's ... although you probably wouldn't be able to get
papers, unless your "Shiloh" dogs still have their AKC papers (and then
they would certainly be too old to breed since the ISSR took over all
registrations in 1991), OR you
could LIE and CLAIM that they are "Shiloh Shepherds™" so that you can sell them for
a lot more money, since there are several dishonest people who have set up "so called"
(Bogus) "registries" out there that will give you
OTX "papers" for such pups. Be sure to read
about this Confusion very slowly!
It's the responsibility of the breeders to follow proper procedures in order to ensure that their litters can be registered. That is why people charge much higher prices for pups that have the proper "papers" backing up their TRUE lineage! In the rare breed world there are many Spurious registries that offer "papers" for a few dollars, without demanding any documentation! The Internet is full of horror stories about such places.
Beware of the "frauds"!!
|Question 3.||If all of the other (non-ISSR) puppies out there are not "real" Shiloh Shepherds™, why are people pretending that they are?|
Unfortunately the popularity of these magnificent dogs has spread far and wide. Even pet quality pups sell easily for thousands of dollars, with the demand constantly increasing! At this time (2003) I only have 2 litters (one is only a week old, the other is just leaving for their new homes) yet I have plenty of prepaid clients still waiting! By the time my next litter is born, there will be even more people standing in line! Yes, they will all get exactly what they ordered -- eventually, but some folks don't want to wait 4, 6, 10 months, or even longer, just for a pup Such folks can often be duped into paying a high price for a "mutt" as long as the person "claims" to be a "breeder" and offers some kind of certificate (even if it's only "home computer" generated) that states that this pup IS a "Shiloh Shepherd™". Of course the owner will then insist on representing this dog as a "genuine shiloh" because to do otherwise would be admitting to the fact that they were scammed!!
If you want to prevent that from happening
to you, may I suggest that you take a little bit more time investigating
this breed. FAQs: Breed
Specific We also have a lot of other
great articles on our The
Shiloh Shepherd™ Learning Center: Site Map that may be helpful to you.
Then if you sincerely want to understand my complete plan for the future welfare of these dogs, please read this page very carefully!! International Shiloh Shepherd™ Registry And don't forget to purchase my new book!!
|Question 4.||What makes the ISSR Shiloh Shepherd™ different from the others that attempt to claim that name??|
To begin with, the Shiloh Shepherd™ is the result of **my** vision (version) of the "total" GSD. I have spent a lifetime preserving the kind of dog I recalled as a child, and then spent many decades attempting to set type in order for my "vision" for this "breed" to become a reality. Kennel of Origin--The Real History of the Shiloh Shepherd™ dogs
In 1990 I wrote The Origins of the Shiloh Shepherd™ (in word and picture) that clearly outlined my FULL intentions (at that time) for the future development of these dogs! Although I had over 100 dogs in my kennel, I was aware of the fact that I would need help from many other people to sufficiently expand my gene pool. The ISSR was designed (similarly to the SV) in order to assist me with those goals! ISSR, Inc.: Rules and Regulations.
Shortly after that I established my VIB program, and then the OSSA (Original Shiloh Shepherd Academy) where I can continue to teach new future Breeders! The original school was very crude. I made copies of booklets like Planned Breeding by Lloyd Brackett, and typed out pages of lessons and pedigrees that I would mail out to my group of Licensed Breeders in order to help them get more familiarized with our program. I would also include tests that they had to complete and return for scoring. Now most of this is done via the OSS Academy as well as our other forums.
All of our current ISSR Licensed Breeders are listed on our website for your convenience. Many have their own web pages linked that you can view in order to see more pictures and read information about their particular goals within our organization. Many of the more dedicated ones are also on several SSDCA committees such as the Genetic Task Force or heavily involved in their local chapters. All are working hard toward helping me attain full recognition for this breed.
Others that have attempted to claim that name are **NOT** following the same vision that I have always had for these dogs. They are only interested in cashing in on the great reputation that **MY** kennel has been able to attain, due to the many decades of producing my version of the Giant <GSD> Shepherds with good hips and stable temperaments!! Now that the demand has been realized, they are only interested in making a quick profit by misappropriating *the* name, without understanding what *the* name actually stands for! You should take a moment and read What's In a Name and then follow up your knowledge with a peek at our newest (complete timeline) chart Shiloh Shepherd™ History: The First 45 Years as well as Don't Fall 4 The Fraud.
That is why it is SO critical to maintain ALL of the data, on a developing breed ... especially the health issues under ONE umbrella!! Any time that any kind of 'splintering' occurs, the ENTIRE breed suffers! Just take a moment to look at this simple example.
<<What many people don't realize is that: With an autosomal recessive disease, for each affected dog in a pedigree, every one of his offspring, both his parents, half his siblings, at least half his parents' siblings, at least two of his four grandparents and at least half their siblings are carrying the gene. -- That's a lot of dogs! >> Breed Out Genetic Disorders
To learn more about the Shiloh Shepherd, please click on Critical Links.
|Question 6.||If it only takes 3-4 generations of breeding "type" to establish a "rare" breed, why is the Shiloh Shepherd™ listed as STILL being under development?|
Because just "setting type" and establishing a solid foundation does not provide for sufficient gene pool to continue the process! In order to better understand what is involved in "breed development" lets look at the biggest two edged sword that a breeder must learn to deal with, and overcome!!
Inbreeding is a wonderful tool that helps us to set "type" and quickly establish a foundation <like laying the "foundation slab" for a new house>
It helps us to "lock in" all of the desirable virtues we are seeking to build upon, making the next step (outcrossing) much easier to deal with, since we have already "locked in" "our" (Lassie) "type" via the initial inbreeding program. This is why you can sometimes see an entire litter of pups that resembles (in this case-Collies) one of the parents/grandparents, even though the other parent has a very different appearance.
Example: If you bred this inbred Collie to a beagle, the pups may look a lot more like Collies! Yet they have "picked up" the "shadow dog" (recessive) of the Beagle, and if you breed some of these Collie look-a-like pups to a Golden Retriever, you may end up with pups that look like Goldens or Beagles, even though one of the parents "looked" like a Collie!! This should show you how fast you can "build" or "tear down" any specific "type" that you are striving towards!
There are many "side effects" that have to be overcome, but let's just look at one of them: Immune Deficiency! When people ask me about it, I often say something like ... How many people do you know of that have died from AIDS? After thinking about it seriously, they have to say none. People die of complications associated with the fact that they have AIDS, not the actual "disease" known as Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome! Then I ask them to consider the possibility of every human on earth being affected with this "disease", how many "generations" do they think the human race, as we know it today, could continue?
Now try to apply this scenario to a "breed" of dog. It's easy to see why there would be NO hope for survival for that particular "breed" unless drastic outcrossing were to take place! But of course, that would certainly dilute the "type" that was established to begin with!! (See example above) Therefore the breed must be classified as "still under development" until a sufficient gene pool base of unrelated dogs has been established!! Depending on the number of pups born per year (and the quality of those litters) this process could take several decades!! In the event there are major problems (even "political" ones, like those that have plagued the Shiloh Shepherd) along the way, this "gene pool expansion" process would certainly take a lot longer!!!
If you still would like to investigate this subject further, please read Inbreeding Depression and Outbreeding Depression.
For an even deeper study of this subject; please note what the top scientists have to say!!
"How do the lab mouse breeders "get away with it" -- by starting many, many lines and watching most of them die out as they become more inbred. If you breed enough lines, a few may make it through without any major health problems, but I would be surprised if they were as fit as their wild counterparts. (They may be healthier due to better care and nutrition, but I doubt they'd do as well in the wild.) I think cheetahs are in much the same situation. They made it through some event 10-20,000 years that wiped out the North American and other populations, and the African population was lucky. Conservation biologists still worry about their adaptability. It's not that it can't be done. It's just that no one has the resources to start several 100 inbred lines of Poodle, Aussie, GSD, or whatever, or wants to put down hundreds if not thousands of sick puppies."
|Why can't someone just outcross to a GSD??|
Because that would be defeating the entire purpose of separating from them in the first place!! It has already taken decades to set the proper "type" that can continue to breed true to the Shiloh Shepherd™ breed standard; outcrossing back to a regular GSD would just tear down all of that hard work! Besides, if folks just want a long haired GSD, there are plenty of AKC breeders that are still breeding them!! Why would anyone want to call it a "Shiloh Shepherd™"? The sliver frauds are just doing to to make money! They can purchase GSD "litter lots" from puppy mills and sell them for thousands of dollars by printing off "their own" fake papers! Furthermore, if they liked the idea of a "cross" between the two breeds (like the Labradoodle or Cockapoo crosses) then all they need to do is to purchase a "King Shepherd" since that is what that breed is all about!
The GSD has changed drastically over the past few decades! Due to the stringent demands for competition dogs, the Imports have become much "harder" and many remain in a "hyper" state when they are not working. This is extremely desirable for the competition trainer, but can become a major problem for the typical family that just wants a great companion! Crossing these dogs with the average Shiloh can lead to major temperament problems that must only be dealt with by a professional trainer! Even though some of the EAST German and Czech Imports may still resemble the old-style GSD in appearance, their temperament is very different from the Shiloh Shepherd™! These dogs have been bred, for generations, mainly for police, government and border patrol use! Before purchasing such a dog, the new owner is usually advised (by reputable breeders) to prepare for a stringent training regimen with their local Schutzhund club. Novice ownership is never recommended!
I am speaking here from personal experience, since I was one of the first people, over two decades ago, to start importing them! Hans Blabla has continued to import them, and he also knows the Shilohs very well due to the fact that he trained the first Shiloh Shepherd™ SAR dog in Jackson Hole, Wyoming (back in '78) and started the Alpine Search Teams out there! During the 80's he worked at my kennel and several "Personal Protection" Kennels, such as Kimbertal, working with various breeds. I am sure he is competent to provide you with his personal knowledge regarding Temperaments and Shiloh Shepherds™ versus East German/Czech Imports and/or the potential disasters involved with breeding such lines together!
The American show dogs would
be better suited regarding temperament compatibility, but they have
changed so drastically, in appearance, over the past few years
that crossing back to them at this point would only produce my worst fears
of the 70's: powder puffed mini spooks!! Why would anyone want
to do such a thing to the noble Shiloh Shepherd™?? Take a few minutes
and look at the GSD winners of the 60's then move up to
the past few
years, and you will easily be able to see the changes that have
gone into that marvelous breed!! Now be sure to take a look at
my article regarding Conformation Titles,
what do they mean
and then visit my recent
Broken Hearted Breed Founder Cherry Blossom 2004 article.
|Question 8.||Why are the ISSR rules for breeding these dogs so strict? We don't have all these rules with my GSDs that are registered in the AKC.|
Because this is a breed *still* under development and without a strong vision, and strict rules that must be followed (via the ISSR) this "breed" will never be able to achieve the temperament, conformation and health that I had envisioned! In the AKC and most other registries, any registered male GSD can "legally" be mated with any registered female GSD, regardless of the health, temperament and conformation of the dogs. The ISSR rules are in place to insure that only the best and safest breedings are done, with the ultimate goal of always improving the breed. Therefore, generations after I am gone, this breed will live on and continue to be the best it can possibly be!!
In order to accomplish those goals, the ISSR licensed breeders are all working together as a team, under my direct guidance, to sufficiently expand our gene pool for all future generations! For honest dedicated breeders the ISSR rules are really not that difficult to which to adhere! The ISSR breeders are determined to see this "breed" become a reality, and are willing to make a few sacrifices along the way in order to achieve these goals.
Such people have the "AKC mentality" that allows anyone to breed anything, just to produce puppies for sale! No thought is given to the future of such puppies, nor the fact that their owners will want to breed them too, although they know nothing about breeding, other then the fact that a "pretty" male turned loose with a bitch in heat will produce puppies! Of course, without a proper knowledge of genetics and our small gene pool, they are over-inbreeding heavily, often in the WRONG direction. The progeny that they are selling for thousands of dollars a/k/a "imitation Shepherds" will eventually cause enough havoc to badly tarnish the wonderful reputation that I have spent a lifetime building for MY awesome Shiloh Shepherds™!
Anyone purchasing pups from a NON-ISSR breeder is inadvertently supporting the efforts of these opportunists, and pounding another nail into the coffin of the REAL Shiloh Shepherd™'s future as a fully recognized breed! It would be far better to just rescue a pup from a pet shop, then to encourage the oxymuda breeders to continue mass producing these inferior puppies!!
PLEASE take some time to readRegistries: What are They? and then compare what you have learned to what you find on these pages A Puppy Mill? and Puppy Producers: What Are They? Then be sure to visit Tina Speaks!
If your gene pool is so limited that you are still not ready to close the stud books, and outcrossing to GSD's is not recommended, what criteria do you use for selecting appropriate "New Blood" dogs?
To begin with, let me try to explain in
detail why using a "typical" German Shepherd dog would not work well for
the Shiloh Shepherd™.
It is because of these issues (hundreds of canine diseases) that we have to use such caution when selecting ANY line to incorporate into our Shiloh Shepherds™, as an outcross ... to insure that we are not bringing in much bigger problems then we are trying to "wash out" of our gene pool!!!
We cannot accept documentation like this nonsense that the "Oxymuda" slivers are using!
If you look at the various websites of GSD breeders, you will find that most of them do not have their own kennel name listed on most of the dogs in their pedigree, furthermore even if they do show up in the first few generations you will NOT see them again if you continue to trace the pedigree further back! This only proves that this person does not have personal knowledge of the dogs involved in their gene pool. They have selected a stud via a pretty piece of paper, rather then via knowledge of the genetic makeup of that dog's true ancestral heritage!! BIG DIFFERENCE!! I have spent weeks searching the Internet, looking for breeders that have some longevity to show off, and have not found one as of yet!! What ever happened to the "old timers" that stayed true to their lines for many decades?? I cannot seem to find that old type of reasoning anywhere! It appears to me that people tend to "follow the herd" and breed to the biggest winners, or highest titled dogs, just because it "looks" good, without any future projection plan in mind
When I chose to use the ADS as my next
outcross nearly a decade later, I did the same thing again!! I spent
years searching those lines!! (My full
story is published in the March/July 1998 SSDCA newsletter.) In the
mid '90's there was nothing about them on the Internet. I found all
of my contacts via German Magazines!! It took tons of phone calls
(no, I don't speak fluent German, but my Mom does .. so it got to be
very expensive, since she LOVES to talk! LOL) and lots of pictures and
letters back and forth before I made my final selection. I had to
pass up a few good potentials due to lack of LMX data on some of the
dogs in the gene pool. I knew what I was looking for (a needle in
a hay stack) and was relentless about finding it!!
Just take a look at the new introduction, then be sure to visit Service Dogs because if you read carefully, you will see Hoofprint or Joanne mentioned over and over again!! Just think .. out of so many (over 5,000 according to AWSA) White Shepherds registered yearly, JC has been able to get her name "in lights" on a regular basis .. for many decades now!! BTW .. be sure to read about Beth's SAR Czar, he was closely related to our Orbit
JC's pedigree's speak for themselves, you can see how she
outlined her "blueprint" for her HoofPrint dogs! She didn't outcross to unknowns, but weaved
the perfect tapestry that has been rewarded over and over again every time
her name shines forth!
|Question 10.||Why is it so important to investigate the littermates, and not just the parents, when you are planning a breeding?|
Although it is commonly thought that pups
will resemble their parents, the fact is that most puppies do not!!
In the past 4 decades, producing thousands of puppies, I have witnessed
that most of them will either resemble a grandparent or one of the dogs
they are linebred on much more readily then either parent!! Back in
the 60's I learned from my mentors (old time breeders that had already
established their own lines) that you will see the "shadow dog" in your
gene pool a lot more often then any of the dogs listed in your
Actually, it is not
as complicated as it sounds! In order to help you grasp the most
basic concept of this, let me use a few "breeds" as
This looks promising so you breed this
pair, but the pups look more like Collies, with a few "golden" Irish
Setters thrown in. What happened? Well, to begin with, your
bitch's sire was a pure bred Collie that came from generations of linebred
Collies before him, thus setting that type. Her dam was part Golden
Retriever, and resembled one, but she was the only one in the litter with
that phenotype. Her littermates were very inconsistent,
with some that favored the Border Collie in their lines, while others
resembled a mixture of Sheltie and Shepherd due to their other
ancestors. If you had investigated the stud you had chosen,
you would have also found that he had Irish Setter and some Collie blood
in his family tree as well, and some of his littermates resembled those
dogs more then they did their Lab ancestors! When the recessive
Collie genes, from both sides, "clicked" it was inevitable that some
of the pups would resemble Collies more so then their
The same system can be used to estimate other characteristics as well! For example, I used my LMX system in order to predict the probability (risk) of CHD. If you look at the charts I drew up for my Practical Genetics article (that was published in the German Shepherd Quarterly back in the late 70's) you can clearly see how the 3 leg - 4 leg recessives can be carried for several generations, only to show up again when you least expect them!!
I used to use crayons and box
cars to help people to better understand these principles ... I even held
seminars where everyone got to do some neat "paper" breedings via baggies
full of dominant and recessive "characteristics" in order to get a clearer
understanding! Suffice it to say that unless you know as much as
possible about the LMI (Litter Mate Information) data behind the dogs in
your pedigree, you can never be sure of what you will find in your
Is extensive knowledge of the littermates of your breeding stock the most important consideration when choosing breeding partners?
Yes, without a true knowledge regarding the
littermates we would just be guessing as to the recessives our dogs may
carry. A contractor would certainly not attempt to build a large
shopping mall without a blueprint, and a conscientious breeder should not
attempt to improve or expand any gene pool without many generations of
documented knowledge regarding the potential pitfalls within that
I incorporated my LMX data into my breeding program nearly 3 decades ago, and then I wrote my History of the Littermate X-Ray Program (LMX) for all future Shiloh Shepherd™ breeders, but as I surfed the web today, I noticed that there are many other great articles out there promoting the same theory! May I suggest that you take some time to read Dr. Bell's Developing a Better Breeding Program and be sure to note his wisdom! I would like to quote a short piece of, what I feel is one of the most important paragraphs in that article:
mistake of some breeders is to think that selection against carriers is
unnecessary, as long as affected dogs are not produced. You should never
select more carrier offspring in the next generation than the average
frequency of carriers in the population. By not selecting against carriers
in breeding stock, you are selecting for a carrier frequency of 50
percent, much higher than most breed averages. This almost guarantees that
half the quality dogs in your next generation will be
How can we determine who the potential carriers
are?? It's easy if we have access to the LMI data!
For a deeper study into this subject, may I recommend that you also visit the web pages listed in our Other Links and then take a few moments to read some of the great articles on Breeding listed on this site, especially Dog-Play: Making a Difference: Being a Responsible Dog Breeder !! For more information, please be sure to read our Health Survey 2000 reports.
Is there any other protocol that you use when making various breeding decisions?
Of course! Each potential pairing has
to be evaluated on its own merits as follows:
However, since you are working with a breed that is still under development, and has an extremely limited gene pool that has been created via heavy inbreeding .... it is imperative that you dig much deeper in order to avoid some potentially lethal problems! Now it is time to examine the Relationship Coefficients carefully in order to keep those numbers as low as possible!! We have several articles explaining these tools that all conscientious breeders should be using!
Genetic Diversity - the Dark Side of Inbreeding is certainly one of the best articles available on the web, that every person interested in breeding .... or even buying ..... a Shiloh Shepherd™ should certainly read! It may help you to better understand what should be happening "behind" the scenes!
People often tend to blame a particular stud or even both parents for the SEVERE HEALTH problem they are now experiencing with their dog, yet often it was caused strictly due to the genetic overload created by a high RC factor!
Of course we have a lot more articles and links available on our web site, so be sure to check out The Shiloh Shepherd™ Learning Center: Site Map.
As with all matters associated with the Shiloh, the charlatans out there seem to find a way to plagiarize everything I have done! I have seen RC reports that have been run by such imitators, using incomplete (and often inaccurate) data! I have personally devoted thousands of hours of my time over the past 14 years to assure the stringent accuracy of all ISSR data, error riddled files were always dumped, although at one point some of that trash was confiscated by a person associated with one of the imitator groups, and it soon wormed its way into their database.
Even if the data used was accurate, unless a complete 30-32 generation RC is run, the report you will get can be very skewed, just look at this quick example!
I did an RC on a Non-ISSR breeding
recently promoted on the web to use as an example here. The relation
coefficient only ran a 35.2% but unfortunately all of the puppies
died **4 days after this page was published** and the grief stricken
breeders went on a rampage all over the BB's accusing me of being the
personification of evil
Please note: The ISSR has 716,266,588 Shiloh Shepherd ancestors presently in our database. This number includes extended data on the MAW and other NB lines that have never been revealed to anyone! The above chart may only show data based upon just over 36% of the available ancestors therefore it is imperative to order a legitimate RC from the ISSR, because the other (self-proclaimed) bogus "registries" are not dealing with a full deck!.
Please note the results we got from this quick report!! what about other breedings that have been promoted OUTSIDE of the ISSR? What would the RC charts show if we dug even deeper? Since their LIMITED access of former ISSR Shilohs is extremely small, they have no alternative other then to inbreed on the available dogs, and then their progeny, thus inbreeding even more!
What do these numbers really mean? Why is 49.6% so horrible? What about the RC's that "only" run in the mid '30's?
Well, why don't we compare each % with a tax bill you just received from the IRS. If they told you that you owed $7000 in back taxes, maybe that would be difficult to live with, but what if they told you that you owed nearly $50,000? Could you pay it easily? Well, most people would have a hard time--but certainly not as hard as the poor puppies being forced to live with diseases that could literally turn their young lives into a nightmare.
If you are not comfortable thinking about the IRS, why don't we try this analogy.
Let's say you are going to make a large pot of coffee. You pour it into a 10 cup carafe and you add cream, now you are going to add one teaspoon of sugar for each % of the RC. The above RC would equal 4.9 cups of sugar! How many teaspoons is that? 15-20-25-40-45? More? How many teaspoons can you add before you have ruined the entire pot?
We could say the same about salt! You have just prepared a fantastic potato salad for your family, how many good shakes of salt can you add to it? If 7 would be just right, 14 a bit much, what would 49 tablespoons of salt do to your great salad?
If you try to look at Inbreeding in the same way, it might be easier to comprehend how a little can be very good, while too much can ruin it completely!
So let's see if we can get a better understanding of what RC's are all about.
Of course, any study about RC's had to include all of the great web pages written by Dr. Armstrong, even his basicRelation article is just loaded with excellent information & charts
Then of course we can move up to more detailed studies, like those provided on theConcordance System v0.2 - coefficient of relationship link pages!!
Now, let's just take a quick look at what some of the experts have to say about the relationship between inbreeding and health issues.
From Genetic Diversity: the Dark Side of Inbreeding by Catherine Marley
Inbreeding, Linebreeding and Crossbreeding from NSAE News Vol 1 N6
From J. Jeffrey Bragg's Purebred Dog Breeds into the Twenty-first Century: Achieving Genetic Health for our Dogs
<<The gene frequency figure is a ratio of the number of copies of alternate versions of a gene in the population, independent of the number of animals involved and of whether they have the gene in homozygous or heterozygous form. An individual may have two copies of the same allele or it may have one or none. For example, if a locus has two alleles, and the population involved consists of fifty animals, and there are 25 copies of one allele, then the frequency for that allele is 0.25; therefore the frequency of the other allele must be 0.75, with 75 copies of it in the same population. It must be emphasised that gene frequency by itself says nothing about relative heterozygosity or homozygosity; it deals only with quantitative aspects of alleles in the population, not the diploid genotype of individuals.>>
The best article I have been able to find ... easy for newbies to understand is on CIDD- Introduction.
For the more serious student I would like to recommend the Canine Diversity Homepage and even possibly joining the Canine Genetics Discussion Group. If you are interested in participating in on-going discussion of canine genetics and breeding (as related to genetic health), with a strong emphasis on diversity, send a message to The list Owner asking to be added to the group.
What type of Health Issues are ISSR breeders concerned with??
We are concerned with every type of health issue that could effect the future welfare of this breed! For that reason the ISSR instituted the biggest independent Health Survey this breed has ever known, and it has continued collecting data for the past 3 years!! During each phase of this survey, we have provided complete reports via our web sites. Please take the time to follow the FULL history of our Health Survey 2000!!!
It all started with The Importance of the Health Survey. Then we published our ISSR, Inc. Health Survey 2000 Update with the preliminary results collected as of early 2001, keeping everyone informed as we progressed with our research! This was followed with continuous updates as we collected more data! ISSR HEALTH SURVEY UPDATE 2001
Furthermore, the ISSR instigated the 5 star program, as of last year, and it is already in heavy use by many of
the Licensed Breeders that want to add some of those stars to their dogs'
I don't want anyone to think that this is not an important issue ... of course we should test our dogs .... BUT .... what many breeders don't bother to consider is the BIG picture
For example ... CHD is not "just" passed on via the individual ... that is
why so many OFA good dogs will produce problem pups! Please take a few
moments to read THIS page SLOWLY
****Please note: our ISSR database does not consist of 50 or 100--or even 200 dogs! We already have over 3000 dogs born within the ISSR entered and more are added on a continuous basis!!****
Please try to understand this basic principle ....... all breeds have
carriers for various diseases, even if you can't see it by looking at the
dog OR "test" it any way .. other than.. via the LMI - PER type of system!
|Question 14.||What about the Shiloh Shepherd™ dog owners that did not participate in the health survey?|
a. They are doing a great disservice to every person that plans to own a real Shiloh Shepherd™ in the future, because they are literally endangering its very survival!
b. They are jeopardizing their own chances of ever owning another one! The normal expected longevity of our breed averages about 14 years. If they have a young dog now, they may not care about the immediate future. Fine, but a day will come in 10-15-20 years from now when they will want another dog like the one they had--and there may not be any real Shilohs still in existence!
We have all heard the saying "two sides to every story"
well, there are LOL Two Sides of Deadly Genes too, and you should
take a moment to read this short page!! I think you will find it
But be sure to keep in mind the comparison between the
number of babies a couple may have v. the number of puppies produced by
just one pair of dogs!! We must also keep in mind that inbreeding
(and all pure bred dogs are inbred to some degree) tends to increase the
frequency for a larger concentration of specific genes that need to be
The only time we gain any useable information that can be utilized for the future betterment of our breed is via some of the horrible anomalies they have encountered due to their practice of extreme-over-inbreeding!
In conclusion ...
what the various "little groups" are doing is nothing more then an attempt
at trying to mimic what the true ISSR breeders are working hard
toward accomplishing <the collection of true LMI
data> in an attempt to fool the public into thinking that they are
working toward the same goals
Hmmmmmm interesting!! LOL
How can you avoid the dangers of over inbreeding, eliminate potentially lethal carriers, and still maintain the true Shiloh Shepherd™ type??
Of course this entailed the signing of (and compliance with) the ISSR, Inc. Licensed Breeders Agreement unfortunately ... that proved to be too difficult for some to live with thus we ended up with many of the dissidents that we are dealing with today! Where did they come from? Just study my new Licensed Breeder Matrix and you will be able to chart each one of them! Or you may visit our Shiloh Wall of Shame!
Nevertheless, I would like to assure you that our future is very bright! The last 2 NB dogs I weaved into our lines, to provide us with the desperately needed hybrid vigor, have proven themselves to be excellent choices and are now being crossed together in order to allow us to continue maintaining the desired type, without having to deal with the horrors brought on by an improperly implemented inbreeding program!
Because of the careful planning involved in our program, we are still able to linebreed on the fantastic Shiloh heroes that everyone has grown to admire so much, without having to worry about partaking in the risks associated with over-inbreeding!!
Just look at these color coded pedigrees of some of our future litters!
Now I would like to share some examples of the upcoming ISSR-planned DNB combinations:
We have prepared a RC for "Super Stud" (Nico/Lillie) who has not been born yet, bred to a young bitch that is already being shown. He is a NB3 from the Orbit line, and his IC was 12.6 and his RC was up to 23.3, but by crossing him with an Artus NB2 bitch (Jersey) whose IC was 9.5% and RC only rose to 17.7%. we are able to still keep the numbers within an acceptable range while focusing heavily on Inbreeding to the top Shiloh dogs--without having to deal the the pitfalls associated with OVER inbreeding! In other words, we can wash out the "bad" genes while still focusing heavily on the good ones that have always made this breed what it was meant to be.
Another good example of this type of program would be the future Reba/Thunder breeding.
Again, we are dealing with a male that has an IC of 8.2% and a RC of only 15.0 bred to a bitch whose IC comes to 15.5% and RC reaches only 27.4%. Both are well within the safety zone.
Over the past decade we have been able to clearly document the problems that we have witnessed within most breedings whose IC has surpassed the 19% SAFETY limit that the ISSR set over a decade ago.
Even ISSR breeders that have insisted on testing those limits have been met with grave disappointments!
Buyer beware--insist on (or order) a legitimate RC from a reputable registry that has a complete database before purchasing any puppy from any breeder!
2006 Update -- Don't be fooled by the fake IC (inbreeding coefficient) numbers being generated by incomplete databases! Insist on viewing the entire report!
Please note: in 2006 we have extensively expanded our data and are utilizing some of this information into our color coded pedigree samples. Please take a few minutes to view at least one or more of these projected ISSR breedings that we are planning.
|Question 16.||How much importance do you place on Good Hips, Huge Size and Stable Temperament of the Shiloh Shepherd™?|
Without those 3 "biggies" you wouldn't have a Shiloh
Shepherd™! My focus has always been on producing huge size,
and despite what you may hear from the dissidents, the REAL Shiloh Shepherds™
**DO** get that big!! It is not unusual for some males
to reach up to 32" in height at the withers!! Even though most only
reach approximately 30" it is still closer to the standard of a St.
Bernard, or even Great Dane then a normal GSD. Unfortunately many
people do not know how to measure their dogs properly, and therefore tend
to misrepresent their actual size. One easy method I like to share
with people is to ask them their pant size. Most folks know their
jean inseam <length> number. For example, if your jean size is
a 30/32 then your waist is 30 inches around and your inseam is 32"
up from the ground and IF your dog's back is even with, or
higher then, the top of your thigh ... you have a REAL Shiloh
|Question 17.||From the hip data you have on your web pages, it looks as if the Shiloh Shepherd™ is losing ground, is it??|
To begin with, you may not be reading the
charts correctly. We have assigned various groups (A-D) based on age
of dogs in each group. The data collected is then cross referenced
with the dogs born, per group, in order to ascertain the actual percentage
being tested. However, many of the dogs that have not been
"upgraded" within the ISSR may have requested extensions, for various
reasons .... or may have left the registry due to politics.
Be sure to
watch for our continuously updated charts and reports on our
The Internet is full of articles regarding
CHD. If you want to investigate this subject, we have also linked
some of the best ones on our web pages as well as posting them on our
public community forum:
|Question 18.||I heard that the ISSR has an "SP" rating that allows dysplastic dogs to enter the gene pool, can this be true?|
Yes, we do have a SP rating, but before you jump to any conclusions I would appreciate it if you would take a good slow look at our chart comparing methods ofhip certification.
Hopefully this chart has shown you, clearly, that our "SP" ratings are no different then what Germany has been doing for decades .... as they continue to maintain the best GSD hips being bred!! The question should actually be more like .... How is that possible?
First of all, OFA ratings can often be deceiving because even the x-rays themselves can be faulty! For example, a bitch in heat can appear to be dysplastic due to subluxation! Even the OFA provides warnings on their web site!OFA: Hip Dysplasia Radiograph Procedures
"Radiography of pregnant or estrus females should be avoided due to possible increased joint laxity (subluxation) from hormonal variations. OFA recommends radiographs be taken one month after weaning pups and one month before or after a heat cycle. Physical inactivity because of illness, weather, or the owner's management practices may also result in some degree of joint laxity. The OFA recommends evaluation when the dog is in good physical condition."
Although they recommend that owners wait at least a month after "heat" cycles, it has been my experience that due to the large size of our dogs, Shiloh Shepherd™ owners should wait even longer!!
FURTHERMORE if the positioning on your dog is not good, the film too light or dark, or any other variable ... you could fail ..... even if your dog has good hips!!
Let me share an example of a true story!! Many years ago I CO-owned a very expensive bitch that was having an excellent show (not an easy thing to do in the GSD world!) career, both of us had poured a LOT of money into her, actually we paid $4,000 for her dam and were only allowed to keep *one* pup from the first litter! BTW, this all happened 20 years ago, so that was a huge investment! Anyway, when she reached 2 she was taken to the vet for x-rays. He thought they looked great and I was very pleased with the copy I received in the mail! Yet OFA rated her as dysplastic!!
This upset both of us and I sent the films to the most knowledgeable hip person I knew, he concurred that her hips were fine, but suggested that another x-ray be taken by a "professional" vet more experienced in positioning and with better equipment. So this was done a few months later, she was driven to a big city with a fancy vet that cost twice as much (not to mention the overnight accommodations, etc. involved in all of this) and he thought her hips looked fine too!! Then a few weeks later, we get another rejection from OFA So what could we do?
Babe was shipped back to me, where she stayed in my kennel for nearly 2 years! Then one of my clients fell in love with her and wanted to take her home as a pet, I agreed and she left for Minnesota!! Talk about covering some mileage, this girl had started out in NY, lived in Kentucky, traveled to shows all over the East coast, and was now on her way to a new adventure!! Several months later Debbie called me to inform me that she went to watch a small AKC show and ran into a woman named (I won't go into this, but she was extremely well known in the GSD world, to say the least) that just loved Babe and wanted to talk to me, despite the fact that Debbie told her that she had failed her OFA ... I said fine.
That same day this breeder called me, informing me that she had called my expert friend (who I had previously sent the x-rays to) and felt that she could get an OFA number on this bitch, if I would allow her to do so, since she desperately wanted to breed her to a GV stud she owned! Knowing she was a Christian, I asked her how she could get a number without cheating? She replied that what we did WRONG was to check off the box that said YES to the "previously submitted" question!! WHAT?? In other words, once a dog failed .. even if it was due to poor picture quality, or positioning, the repeat submittal would also fail because the other vet would not want to challenge the first vet's opinion!! In essence, if a person is found guilty by a jury ..... the second jury (if that person insists on being retried) would probably agree with the first??
So in order to get an honest "fresh" opinion, you need to "lie" on the application and state that the dog has never been examined before!! HONESTLY!! So I told her to go for it! Guess what happened?? Different state, different "owner" listed <same dog info> and now she was 5 years old no less, and they rate her OFA **good**!! Go figure! Of course she was bred (unfortunately only that once) and had a great litter of pups (without my kennel name on them) that impressed the GSD show world
Could this just be an unusual "exception"?? I think NOT!!
Everyone interested in learning more about hip dysplasia should certainly read Fred's newer articles!!Hip Registries Update
"Dogs that were considered "normal for age and breed" were given a certification number, and as time went on, people could fairly safely assume that a dog without this certification were dysplastic. The certificate thus became a valuable commodity. It marked dogs as more valuable than similar dogs without it. Unfortunately, the inertia that came with great numbers of dogs in the OFA registry may have contributed toward an unwillingness to consider technological improvements. After 30-some years of service to breeders, this stagnation and protection of the old method had left breeders on a plateau without offering any ladder to the next level of progress. It was time to examine new paradigms."
and by all means, please take the time to read this part!!
"The use of Breed Value (progeny and sibling results being made part of a dog’s likely genetic picture) has not been practiced much in this country. It is an old, established, and critical feature of dairy cattle breeding, but in the U.S., only two groups are known to utilize its very helpful advantages. One is the breeding program at The Seeing Eye, Inc.®, the famous school for guide dogs for the blind in Morristown NJ. The geneticist there, Dr. Eldin Leighton, has used PennHIP for diagnosis/prediction and BV data on relatives (mostly siblings, ancestors, and progeny) to make great strides in reducing HD incidence far below that possible in any other breeding program. The other is the community of fanciers devoted to the imported German Shepherd Dog. In Germany, the SV (parent breed club for all GSDs worldwide) has adopted a very similar data analysis system called Zuchtwert (breed worthiness). "
Ifully agree that these programs are going to reduce CHD drastically .. something OFA was never able to do and if you dig deeper into the BV program, you will see many similarities to my LMX program, as well as being able to realize that the ISSR **has been** compiling all of this data for over a decade now ..... via our specially designed (by the TCCP) program, based on my old LMX system, only expanded! The only thing we need is cooperation from the owners, to submit their dog's hip records along with their request for final papers ..... it really IS that simple!!!
So could we reach 100% CHD free? NO, because there are so many variables involved with CHD .... even a small puppy injury could cause a dog to fail his/her x-rays ... but we can certainly shoot for the mark, to produce the best hips we possibly can .... and that IS the goal that ISSR breeders are striving towards!!
May I repeat myself one more time??? I believe that the German BV is a much better system then the one presently used by the OFA ... furthermore, it is well known that Germany HAS allowed dogs with hips that would not even get an SP rating via the ISSR to be used for breeding, (please see What You Still Don't Know about the "a" Stamp Can Hurt You) and they STILL have less CHD in their dogs then we do in the "American" version of the GSD! WHY?
Take a look at this statement from the previous web page
"Fact #1. While it is true that moderately and severely dysplastic German dogs do not usually get "a" stamped and are not allowed to be bred, there is no denying that theSV evidence itself shows that dogs with identified various lesser degrees of dysplasia DO get "a" stamped and ARE bred!"
and compare the SV hip rating charts to ours.
Always keep in mind **knowledge is power** and in the case of CHD, the more you know, the better off you are
For example, take a look at the article "My Views on Developing a Wider View of Hip Dysplasia in the Border Collie" by C. Denise Wahl, PhD!! One of the things I was impressed with was the statement that said
"The problem with using a one factor, "one-size-fits-all" procedure with a disease caused by a combination of factors such as HD, is that all breeds do not have the same percentage contribution of these factors. All breeds of dogs are built somewhat differently, are of different sizes, activity levels, and selected using different standards as the primary criteria. Some of these standards involve performance criteria as a major selection criteria and some don't. In dogs bred to look a certain way, the selection against such factors as favorable pelvic muscle mass may change the percentage contribution of that particular HD factor in that breed. It's not surprising then, that adherence to a certain screening and selection technique would be more or less effective in decreasing the incidence of the disease in one breed versus another."
Another interesting source of CHD information is on the Anatolian siteHip Dysplasia
"Please Note: HD is a multi-allele gene and therefore can not be isolated. With current evaluation methods we can not expect to "eradicate" HD in dogs of any breed."
If you have the time, you should read as much of the latest information as you can possibly find
The Internet is full of articles on this subject, on a variety of breed sites, although I would focus more on the giant breeds for additional data, like this article onCANINE HIP DYSPLASIA: Surgical Management of Canine Hip Dysplasia Part II by Dr. Susan Thorpe-Vargas Ph.D. and John Cargill MA, MBA, MS.
"Canine hip dysplasia can be difficult to diagnose, as a number of other orthopedic neurological, autoimmune and metabolic problems may mimic it. Controversy surrounds the question of positioning for hip X-rays and what part joint laxity plays in hip dysplasia. Hip dysplasia may be more common in large and giant breeds and is one of the most over-diagnosed and misdiagnosed conditions."
So what is the solution to this problem, if we want to see Shilohs with better hips?? The answer is simple ..... LMX!! The LMX program is what gave us the strong foundation to begin with, and properly adhered to ... it will provide us with the best possible hips for all future generations!! Don't believe it? Well, then read what others are saying!!!
Also of interest should be the following article by Rhonda Hovan which appears on the OFA website:Collecting and Utilizing Phenotypic Data to Minimize Disease: A Breeder's Practical Guide.
I have heard about many studies regarding CHD - nutrition - environment, etc. and thought I would do a search; after realizing that I would be forced to check out over 100 sites, I chose to drop this quest for the moment. If anyone here wants to dig deeper ... obviously there is a ton of information available, and the consensus that I have read seems to agree that there are many environmental as well as nutritional factors associated with the various degrees of CHD.
IMHO it just proves to me that a person can discover more about his dogs predisposition to CHD via the LMX program, then with any other system available on this continent!!
Back to the OFA data, I would strongly urge everyone that has a dog to visit this siteThe Art of Reading Hip C-Rays and maybe even print it for your vet, so that you can show him that you HAVE been investigating this issue, and you expect him to take a good x-ray of your dog in order to avoid failing OFA! It certainly doesn't do anyone any good to get a certificate stating their dog IS dysplastic (when he/she may not be) and then having a breeder replace such a dog, that could have actually made a tremendous contribution to the gene pool!!
For example, just this week  our registry has been unmercifully attacked over the SP ratings we use, and the fact that we **did** allow an owner to breed **such** a dog within the ISSR. So I would like to make a few clarifications here .. just for the record.
1. He was bred to a bitch from a very strong LMX line, whose sire was both OFA and PennHip excellent! Actually, even her grandsire was OFA excellent not to mention that her sire's littermate was excellent as well!!
2. The breeding was repeated, producing a combined total of 13 pups, many of which have already been x-rayed (some are still too young) and **all** but one have passed with good ratings ... the one that failed was only marked as "subluxation" and may actually pass the next time she goes in, now that her owner knows more about heats and positioning too!!
3. The stud owner has been diligently following up on all of the progeny in order to make sure that complete LMX data will be collected!
4. He was also bred to another female that has a strong LMX background, but unfortunately she perforated her intestine when the pups were only a few weeks old, thus causing her to go into septic shock. The pups were removed and hand raised, but only after they had already been nursing on bad milk. Of course all of these unfortunate environmental factors could lead to some skewed final results, but even though these puppies suffered from a suppressed immune system, if their hip x-rays pass it will only prove that solid genetics, via the use of the LMX system, does work!! Even if some of them did not pass, it still would not prove that it was due to their sires SP rating!! After all of the results are collected, I am confident that it will be proven that he did not produce any more effected progeny then any other average OFA certified dog would have been expected to produce!
The Health Survey 2000 that was conducted for tabulation by Dr. George A. Padgett clearly showed that the hip status of the Shiloh Shepherd™ was much better than that of their former ancestors, the GSD. Please take a few minutes to study his final report that he prepared for our club (SSDCA) and our (ISSR) registry.
|Question 19.||What about other Health Issues? What strides are being taken to reduce the frequency of other diseases?|
To begin with, our entire registry has been
based on the same type of data collection system I used in my own kennel,
also known as LMX. Since I was only dealing with the dogs that I
personally produced it was not difficult to collect data on the pups I
kept or sold. With the type of guarantees I provided, due to
the high prices I charged for pups, people would be inclined to contact me
if they had a problem! Nevertheless, I always tried to maintain a
lot of contact with each of my clients. First I started out with a
yearly newsletter, that later turned into several, fully loaded,
yearly editions!! In 1974 I also started a formal "Homecoming" event that would encourage folks to bring
their pups home for a special "family" reunion!! All of the
data I collected on my dogs was later transferred into the TCCP data base
Over the next few months the Genetic Task Force (GTF) continued to collect data and call Shiloh Shepherd™ owners across the country to encourage them to take part in the survey. By early 2001 the ISSR, Inc. Health Survey 2000 Update Parts I and II were posted on the web, to be followed by updated reports as they became available!! All of these reports are loaded with exact data, as received by the GTF, and computed by Dr. Padgett in his seminar at our 27th Annual Homecoming! These were published in the ISSR HEALTH SURVEY UPDATE 2001 final results!!
If you take another look at the chart that
Dr. Padgett provided us with in the ISSR Health Survey 2000 Update Part II and compare it with the one (compiled for us from all of the
ISSR data collected during the Health Survey 2000 campaign) that he
presented to the ISSR and all of those that attended his seminar at
Homecoming, you can clearly see how much work has gone into our efforts to
reduce/eliminate various genetic diseases!!
are dealing with health issues we must be careful not to "throw the
baby out with the bathwater"
created by rumor - gossip & innuendo. For example,
there seems to be much to do about SAS and heart testing, a good thing
when done within the proper perspective .. but certainly not a "cure all"
for this disease, as can be proven by some of the major research being
done by various clubs! Just take a look at SAS Research One Year Progress Report. This report
clearly states that
Does that mean that if your dog
is free of SAS he can still produce it if his littermates had it, and he
was bred to a bitch who also had littermates with SAS?? You bet he
can!! So does that mean he can never be bred? NO .. it means
that he has to be bred to a bitch who didn't have any littermates with
SAS!!! The process is actually very easy, as long as you
have the **full** LMX data available
That is a good question, and I would like
to see their names myself <LOL> since these "so called"
people have never existed!! I think that some of the dissidents have made such statements in their foolish
attempt to attain some kind of credibility for their side. The truth
of the matter is that at one point I had thanked some of my former GSD
mentors for their assistance in helping me to better understand the
principles necessary for creating my desired type. At no time have
these people actually been involved with my "breed" development, and once
I left the "establishment" they continued with their GSD kennels!
Although some of them were supportive with occasional letters of continued
encouragement, they have never bred, or even owned, a Shiloh Shepherd™! I
honestly believe that some of these people would probably be offended if
their names were listed as co-founders of the Shiloh Shepherds™! Not
because they don't like the breed, people like Fred Lanting have continued
to make himself available for X-ray consultations and even structure
seminars, etc., but he (and others like him) have earned their reputation
via their own merits and are proud of it! They certainly would not want to
be given credit for something they never did. That would be absurd! Can
you imagine telling children that Abraham Lincoln was our first president
and George Washington discovered electricity? If these people were still
with us, I highly doubt if the parties involved would be very
What does the "ideal" Shiloh look and act like, and is it even possible to locate one that totally fits the Breed Standard?
To begin with, since these dogs are the result of my vision, I will take a moment to share what I have foreseen as the goal we should be striving toward.
a. Both coat varieties are extremely important because if you don't have enough smooth coats being utilized properly, it won't be long before the dominant plush factor will completely take over! So we must pick an ideal from both sides that will complement the other. If I had to choose only 2, I would have to select Luke to represent the smooth coat and Lazarus to represent the plush....but since it's my vision I would add two inches in height to both!
Are either of these dogs perfect representatives of the breed? Of course not, there is no such thing! All we can do is to strive toward the ideal standard that has been established for the particular breed that we are involved with, never expecting to reach total perfection because if that day ever came we would have to stop breeding! Once a masterpiece is finished, the artist has to stop painting!
b. Intelligence a/k/a "personality" a/k/a "temperament" that is truly what
this breed is all about .. without these unique qualities, they wouldn't
be true Shiloh Shepherds™!! The Breed Standard calls for
<< Courageous and
self confident, this gentle giant
possesses superior intelligence
wrapped in a heart of gold, faithfully
protecting his home and those he loves.
>> Those are not just empty words .. All
true Shilohs have been bred toward maintaining those goals!! The ideal
Shiloh is an "easy going" loyal companion that loves children
animals, yet has the desire to protect his owner even if it means giving
up his own life to do so! These dogs don't need specialized "training"
because they already possess an extremely high degree of intelligence ...
they need to be properly educated, just like a child, in order to reach
their full potential.
What is Shiloh Shepherd™?
Forum Any deviation from this ideal will result in
producing just another "dog"
That is why I feel that it is MY responsibility to
state the TRUE FACTS!
2. Mecki: since his recent death has been publicized all over the Internet .. with fingers pointing at the ISSR, so I felt that everyone has a right to hear the TRUE story!! If you take a look at his RC, it comes out as 36.3%.
Every ISSR Licensed Breeder knows how risky such a high RC can be! Not just for EPI but for all kinds of other diseases! However, in this case, his breeder was madly in love with her Tristan, and desperately wanted to breed him. As a result I sent her a potentially compatible adult female as well as an Orbit daughter that would have been her best chance to get his progeny with the lowest probability of health risks!! However, while waiting for her to reach age, she had another bitch she wanted to breed to him! I had advised her AGAINST this combination and we even discussed this issue via the OSS (Original Shiloh Shepherd™ Academy) in hopes of persuading her not to pursue this path! Unfortunately most inexperienced breeders tend to get very passionate about certain issues, and it is hard to convince them that they are potentially making a BIG mistake
Of course you must keep in mind that even though all ISSR breeders may not be “perfect” and some will make an occasional mistake (after all, aren’t we all human), with us it’s the exception, not the rule!
Honest ISSR breeders try to learn from these mistakes and move on toward perfection; others choose to leave and start their own “registries”.
As a result of these issues, the slivers chose to drop their RC's by "outcrossing" --breeding to ANY GSD they could find, resulting in the big mess they have now!! Be sure to read
You can read about them
In the case of the Tristan breeding, even though the litter had to have
approval, everyone was aware of the fact that it was potentially
dangerous, and I am sure that the breeder informed her puppy buyers of the
risks involved ...... yet the "dark side" just loves to point fingers at
us whenever they possibly can ... trying to convince folks that we are
having as much of a problem as they are with EPI and many other diseases!
<<Effective 9/1/2001 any breeding that carries an IC higher than 19% is considered experimental. Any breeding of two dogs without health survey data validating carriers is a test breeding. Any such breedings without proper, prior written approval from the Breed Warden will result in non-registration of the litter.>>
Will the lowered IC completely eliminate any potential for a pup possibly developing EPI? NO .... in this world, nothing is perfect ... but it will certainly reduce the probability and that is all ANY breeder can hope for!! The facts speak for themselves!!
Listing of Litters with Reported EPI -- with a 12 Generation RC
Multiple affecteds produced in litters in Red.
Please note that NO EPI
reports have been received for dogs with a RC below 9%, however, the GTF
is dedicated to continue monitoring of data and periodic updates will
always be available via our
Shiloh Shepherd™ Learning Center.
Future charts will clearly show that most ISSR puppies born in 2003 and 2004 are either NB or out of the most coveted **Double NB** breedings that have been proven to produce the best possible conformation (SUPER SIZE) features as well as all of the other coveted Shiloh Shepherd™ qualities--without the high RC factor and potential health risks!
Our data speaks for itself! If you want to see a complete picture regarding any health issues within the Shiloh Shepherd™ breed (as maintained under the direction of the ISSR) please visit our ISSR and GTF sites often!
There is more to a Shiloh Shepherd™ than just outstanding beauty. Your new Shiloh Shepherd™ should be an awesome dog, with a sound mind and body!
Owning a beautiful dog like Laz or Luke is an awesome experience...but...the pleasure and pride you enjoy can quickly be snuffed out if your best friend becomes potentially dangerous to your family and friends...or...in need of extremely expensive medication for life!
Don't put yourself in the position of having to choose between ending your dog's life or spending thousands of dollars in an effort to save him that may not even work. Investigate this breed and make sure that you are "stacking the deck" in your favor! Don't Fall 4 the Fraud!
For your convenience, all unusual words used in this Q & A are listed below and hyperlinked to a detailed definition. Words that are linked to canine genetics are also linked to various websites with interesting articles that will help you better understand their meanings.
|Back Yard Breeder (BYB)||Please reference: Puppy Breeders|
|Bogus||Counterfeit or fake|
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Bottleneck||1. a. A narrow or obstructed
section, as of a highway or a pipeline.|
b. A point or an area of traffic congestion.
2. A hindrance to progress or production.
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
A person who
makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or
knowledge; a quack or fraud.
|Commercial Breeder||Please reference: Puppy Breeders|
|Dissident||characterized by departure from
accepted beliefs or standards |
Source: Wordnet 1997, Princeton University
|Fraud:||A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Hobby Breeders||Please reference: Puppy Breeders|
To copy the
actions, appearance, mannerisms, or speech of; mimic: amused friends by
imitating the teachers.
One who engages
in deception under an assumed name or identity.
|Inbreeding Depression||The exposure of the individuals in
a population to the effects of deleterious recessive genes through matings
between close relatives. |
Source: Inbreeding Depression and Outbreeding Depression by Michael Lynch
|Mimic:||To copy or imitate closely, especially in speech, expression, and
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Muda||Japanese word meaning any human activity which absorbs resources but creates no value.|
|Oxymoron||Ox`y*mo"ron\, n. [NL., fr. Gr.
???, fr. ??? pointedly foolish; ??? sharp + ??? foolish.] (Rhet.) A figure
in which an epithet of a contrary signification is added to a word; e. g.,
cruel kindness; laborious idleness.|
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary©1996, 1998 Micra, Inc.
Example: "leaving the ISSR, yet swearing that you are still producing "Shiloh Shepherds™" via some "new" system"
|Phenotype||1. a. The observable physical or
biochemical characteristics of an organism, as determined by both genetic
makeup and environmental influences. |
b. The expression of a specific trait, such as stature or blood type, based on genetic and environmental influences.
2. An individual or group of organisms exhibiting a particular phenotype.
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Plagiarize||1. To use and pass off (the ideas
or writings of another) as one's own. |
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another).
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Puppy Mills||Please reference Puppy Breeders|
|REB (Reputable Experienced Breeders)||Please reference Puppy Breeders|
|Relationship Coefficient||Probability that any two
individuals share a given gene by virtue of being descended from a common
ancestor. In sexual reproduction of diploid species, an individual shares
half its genes with each parent, with its offspring, and (on average) with
each sibling but only a quarter (on average) with its grandchildren or its
siblings' offspring an eighth with its great-grandchildren, and so
Source: Hutchinson's Encyclopedia
|Renegade||1. One who rejects a religion,
cause, allegiance, or group for another; a deserter. |
2. An outlaw; a rebel.
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
|Rogue:||An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or
Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th edition
: outwardly similar or corresponding to something without having
its genuine qualities : FALSE|
3 a : of falsified or erroneously attributed origin : FORGED b : of a deceitful nature or quality
Source: Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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