Documentation Submitted  on the Phantom Litter


 

1. Health Survey report -- Hips "a" (read by Gaby's vet?)-- that's not a legitimate rating! My vet can "say" my hips are "excellent" but the OFA may not agree.   (Click on the image at left to view at larger size.)

2. Phantom's name-- Phantom of House VID
See hand written note: Phantom from Black Forest

 (Click on the image at left to view at larger size.)

3. The Sire (Nero) has a legal pedigree. He is an SKG certified GSD via the Schweizerischer Schaeferhund Club; however please note that he is a smooth coat (Stockhaar). Tina was asked not to use his real pedigree. Please see Gaby's handwritten note. Click on the image to view at larger size.

If you study Nero's papers--only 1 dog came up as KK2-- could that dog have been coated? We can search out this data; otherwise they were all smooth coats!

No copy of the back page of Nero's pedigree.

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4. Records for only 3 of Phantom's other littermates -- coats -- hips --owners for Health Survey data, LMX etc.

5. No papers that show Phantom's Tattoo -- registration # etc. Where is the hip certificate from Zurich? We accept OFA papers, so why not include his certificate?

Actually, there are no papers that show that Phantom even exists!

6. Now for the dam. Gaby's note says "Kijsha Von Haus Bach". Health Survey says Kijsha V. Haus VID. Please again reference the Phantom health survey file and Gaby's handwritten note from February.

Ok--do we have Phantom from Black Forest or is it Phantom of Haus VID? Is it Kijsha V. Haus VID or was she Kijsha Von Haus Bach?

Again--no tattoo numbers or hip/registry/etc. certificates! No registration certificate of any kind giving her name. Without any kind of legitimate papers issued by a real (respectable) organization, proving who she is and her ancestry, how can she be entered into our database? We know she "exists" because she had puppies. But WHO is she?

7. The documentation submitted for Kijsha consists of an application to the Universal Kennel Club, along with 2 copies of typed pedigrees. Her dam is listed as Starlight Melody and the sire is listed as an AKC Shepherd, Summerwinds Lord Rex AKC #DL5622981/04.

Sorry, but this falls VERY short of the minimum requirement of 5 generations LMX (litter mate) data!! We don't even have valid data on her grandparents (third generation) much less any other ancestors!
 

8. The health survey data on Phantom indicates that he was born in 1998 and sired his first litter in 2000. However, the Nero papers (his sire) show that HE was born on June 29, 1998.  So how could he have sired a pup the same year when he was 5 weeks old?

9. The pedigree that was sent for the Chance/Phantom litter has Phantom's birth date crossed out and changed to 2000. Thus he was born the same year that he sired his first litter. Here is a copy of the pedigree that was issued to Lyn. Please examine it carefully.

Also note that the pedigree states that Laz was Pax's dam!

A. Since there is no proof that these papers are valid to begin with, and the dogs that they supposedly represent (Phantom and Kijsha) do not have any kind of individual certificate nor tattoo proving that they are descendents of those dogs--plus, the fact that they are both long coats that in no way resemble their "supposed" ancestors (who do not carry the long coat gene as per the documentation presented) these papers cannot be approved by the ISSR.

B. The minimum criteria requested by the ISSR, as per the rules published in 1993 ( inaugural issue of The Newsletter (Shiloh Shepherd Scriptures) Vol. 1) clearly specify the requirements that were set for specific "Shiloh" acceptance! Please reference 8-issrRules1993.pdf and 9-faq.pdf.

These requirements have never been compromised and cannot be dismissed in regard to this situation.


The minimum 5 generation LMX data for both Artus and Orbit were carefully examined and properly verified prior to allowing those two dogs into the NB program. The high quality standards established 15 years ago, that were used to start this breed cannot be compromised now!

PLEASE AGAIN READ THE ORIGINAL RULES SET FOR EVERY FUTURE "SHILOH".

C. Any dog that is submitted for entry into the NB program has to provide valid genetic documentation via acceptable registration certificates, extensive pedigree research, etc., provided by accredited organizations that are respected worldwide, not by self proclaimed paper pushers that call themselves "registries" like the Universal Kennel Club. In this case, the handwritten application was never even submitted.

D.  Please view a picture of Phantom and some of his progeny. Please pay close attention to the horrible ring tails. 





Note the fearful tail tuck.


The pups were whelped on May 6, 2005 and were three months old at Homecoming (August 18-21, 2005).  Please compare them to the Artus progeny below as well as to Nala, from a DNB breeding.  





Homecoming 2005 ring photos

Three Artus progeny at 3 months of age.

Ajax (Zena/Artus) Rowdy (Beauty/Artus) Shelby2 (Shelby/Artus)
Three month old Nala and 28 inch 9 month old Panzer.
Compare to ISSR Shilohs:

L to R:
1 year old Angus (Shelby/Warrior) MAW breeding, 1 year old Kody (Goliath/Kim) double MAW, 2 year old Angus (Goldie/Orbit) NB-1/MAW.


Postscript:

Now, let's take a quick look at another "Euro" pedigree and compare it to the mess that Gaby sent in:

Artus

(Please reference: 10-artusPedigreeCover.pdf, 11-artusInsidePages.pdf, and 12-artusBackCover.pdf)

Note all of the seals (stamps) that are on the first page. They validate that this pedigree has been recorded. You will also see a list of his littermates (7) that can easily be searched out if someone needed more LMX data later. You will see the same system presented for his parents, grandparents, etc. Also please note that he has a tattoo number (for identification). Furthermore, although he is not FCI, each of the accredited registries that maintain data on his ancestors listed on the pedigree, including the (SZ) (DSV) or DDR at the end of the pedigree. There is also room for additional titles and certification stamps.

More data can be documented on the back page! If he grew up in Germany those blanks would be full.

Watch Artus grow, view his first litter and see many of his NB-1 progeny.
 

Please compare the documentation submitted by Gaby
to the ISSR rules that have been applied to each "acceptable" NB dog since the inception of our registry!!

Shiloh or Long Haired GSD


 

 
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